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First off, it is really funny while reading how "dated" some of the things they say are. They talk about technologies I consider "antique" in such a familiar and commonplace way.

Second, I think the first reading about the "Memex" is an interesting idea and I know what he's trying to get at, but I think he was limited in thought, scope and theory by the technolgies of the time. I mean he talks about "levers" and "tape" and "buttons" that perform certain actions without really explaining how it would be accomplished exactly. I also think he made some assumptions about his "indexing system". The concept is great, I'm just not sure how practical it would'a been.

Second. This article is almost scary to read. The predictions and scenarios he talk about in the use of the computer are almost prophetic. I think he took the ideas from the second article and expanded on them, this time making it more practical and understandable. I especially liked how he emphasised that we are limited by the technolgies available to us. (He called them artifacts for whatever reason) It makes the good point that often we can't do something not because we're not smart enough or we don't have the proper skills (or ability to learn the skills) but rather simply lack the proper tools.

And third: The sketchpad one is probably the article I found easiest to read at this point. It's interesting and again pretty accurate as to how modern day graphic manipulation programs work. What's ironic though is that as much as the article talks about the "light pen", how many of us actually own or even use one? I sure don't. The mouse has kinda replaced it.

I'm just going to tackle this chapter by chapter...

Much of which is discussed in chapter 2 is a means for storing, retrieving and sharing information. In the beginning, Vannevar Bush focuses on photographic technology and how it could be improved. He brings up ideas that have turned into the Polaroid camera and now the digital camera. A good portion of the rest of the article focuses on information storage and retrieval. What he essentially introduces is the idea of the relational database – a collection of information that contains links between data based on how they relate to one another. I am not sure if the creators of Oracle or SQL Server have ever read this article, but I clearly see ties between Bush’s train of thought and the products of today. The "Memex" idea is an obvious precursor to what the computer is now, except that it was supposed to be built directly into the desk. I believe that this idea still has merit, as a computer (at least a full desktop) still takes up an enormous amount of desk space. Having something built in to the desk, such as a digital desk calendar always in view and a couple of other screens all tied to a computer tucked into the desk itself would be really nice I think.

In chapter 8 we have Douglas Engelbart introduce what is now becoming the Semantic Web. He begins his article by describing what would very soon become the first CAD system and then ties that to Bush's Memex idea. He explains that the Memex frees a person’s mind from the low-level processes so that they may accomplish more at a higher level. Engelbart builds on the idea of the Memex’s storage capabilities and developing associative links between information. This is the basic idea behind the Semantic Web – associatively relating information based on meaning and context.

Chapter 9 features an article written by Ivan Sutherland that is about a machine called the Sketchpad. What is interesting about the Sketchpad is that we now have things like Wacom tablets and tablet PCs that built on the technology of the PDA, which mimic the Sketchpad's functionality and mechanics. I agree with Matt, the mouse probably replaced the light pen, but the concepts and technology behind the Sketchpad itself seem reminiscent of what are now vector graphics (in fact, Sutherland provides mathematical formulas to explain how the graphics are created) and object oriented programming.

Theodor Nelson's article in Chapter 11 screams Semantic Web to me. He speaks about connecting files together in a file system that is based on context and meaning. Files are linked together based on what their contents contain.

The Dynabook described by Alan Kay and Adele Goldberg in Chapter 26 appears to be the precursor to the laptop. Although the Dynabook is described as being very personal and customizable to each user’s needs, the whole premise behind it was to be a portable system for someone to have and share personal information and creations. Now, we have the laptop, which is a completely portable computer that can have any combination of software installed on it, and the Internet. One is portable almost anywhere, and the other is accessed almost anywhere.
The World Wide Web – Chapter 54's article by the initial creators of the W3 provides background information and details about the Internet. As it currently stands, the Internet has changed very little since its beginning. The current technologies are fundamentally the same as when they were first created, and very little change has occurred since then. This is where the idea of XML comes in – the W3C is trying to push XML into the forefront in order to create the Semantic Web – something that a couple of the previous articles had touched on.

The videos really provided a good understanding of what I read in the book, sometimes even showing the original technology (the Engelbart demo in particular). I am quite amazed at how much was developed at the time and how much has (and more importantly, has not) changed since then. What I find most interesting is the fact that a lot of the technology is about storing, organizing, retrieving and sharing information, an idea that is still be developed today. Not only is it still being developed, but it is still headed in more or less the same direction.

Matt and Carlo, nice start.

For all of you, questions and points to make as the discussion here continues...

1. What has and hasn't been implemented in each of these papers so far and why? Not the obvious stuff, like the fact that we're not using microfilm like Bush suggested, but the stuff that the Internet and other things don't do, like Carlo's point that the Smeantic web is pointed to in some of the papers.

(note that these are suggestions and guideposts to help you with discussion. Answer them if you want but also spin your own questions and answers)

A. how are these systems discussed above different from html, xml and the semantic web?

B. How do the pieces of interactive personal dynamic media in Kay's paper and video play out today?

C. How does this stuff all tie into gaming?

"Nothing is impossible, there are only possibilities waiting to be discovered" - (A very wise man, whose name eludes me at the moment.)

I mention that quote because I think it ties in with what Matt was saying about us being limited by the technologies available to us. We usually tend to progess in baby steps, improving and adding onto existing technologies, rather than creating radically different ones. Englebert noticed this tendency, and aspired to "not merely be a bigger and faster snail, but to achive new levels of sensory capability, speed, power, and coordination as to become a new species - a cat."

As Carlo said, the concept of the Memex was an obvious precursor to the PC. I for one, dislike the idea of having it built into a desk, though. Despite the fact that a desktop computer does take up a substantial amount of desk space, I would prefer having the flexibility of being able to move any element of it around your desk at will or shift them from desk to desk as needed (eg. when you go home for summer, would you really want to have to move your entire desk from your dorm room back to your room at home just so you can play Unreal Tournament? )

Despite the technological leaps and bounds that we've taken in the past few decades, I think its interesting that we've still got pretty much the same goal in mind: We're currently gearing towards that one "box" that integrates gaming, music, television, etc., just as Alan Kay was shooting for the notebook computer to be a general purpose device, with educators, businesspeople and poets all using the same type of Dynabook.

I like Kay's belief that end users need to be able to program before the computer could truly become theirs. Kay wrote: "The ability to 'read' a medium means that you can access materials and tools generated by others. The ability to 'write' a medium means you can generate materials and tools for others. ". Today, we 'read' the internet to access webpages, and 'write' entries on our Blogs.

How does this all tie into gaming? Well, the Aspen Movie Map, for one, gave us the first "interactive virtual navigable space" that led to the creation of games like Wolf 3D, and susbsequently, games like Doom which basically improved on the freedom of navigation in the interactive virtual navigable space. We have the good people of AMG to thank for creating the concepts that would make the 3D shooter genre of gaming possible.

Seymour Paperts work on computer systems aimed at children is probably what got the ball rolling towards learning games like this one:

http://childparenting.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.learningplanet.com%2Fsam%2Fsm%2Fspaceymath.htm

I'd speculate that the success of learning games, combined with the interactive virtual navigable space is also what probably paved the way for flight simulators and the like.

Matt mentioned how the light pen has been replaced by the mouse. For common use, that is probably true, but this reminds me of an episode of tech TV that I saw last year. It had this Adoby Photoshop genious on it, he has several books out on the program. He used a pen and a special pad to help draw his artwork, instead of a mouse. I am certain that some other multimedia students have at least seen one of these before, if not used one.

The talk of learning games like Rohith mentioned is always a neat topic in my opinion. I think that developing hand eye coordination can help stimulate the brain with younger ages of users, and even in grade school, computer users can have assistance learning the more difficult subjects. And as for flight sims, I think they are a great tool. Nothing can truly replace the real thing, but if we can get pilots, and tank operators, as well as other highly specialized commanders the ability to train compltetly outside of the realm of danger, this is a big asset to our defense, and to their safety.

Finnaly (for this thought), I like the idea of how we view technology, and how it turns out. Carlo mentioned how the Memex was obviously the precursor to the PC, and Rohith mentioned how he disliked the idea of the computer being built into the desk. I feel that technology, like many things, isnt always easy to pinpoint right away. We as humans can only concieve so much, and its often difficult to think outside of the box. I think apple, in the recent years, has done a good job of thinking outside of the box. I know they just released the new version of the iMac, that is a flatscreen LCD monitor, with the actual guts of the computer built into the monitor itself.

A comical view on the future of technology can be seen on last nights episode of Harvey Birdman. It had the jetsons come back in time to sue the people of today for ruining the earth. He brought punchcards of information to use in court and said "we use punchcards to hold information in the future". It is a comical view on how we viewed what the "future" would look like, and how far we've come from those initial concepts.

OK! Finishing up!

I'm gonna start with the videos. Englebard was vaugely interesting, but I think I've had been more wowed if I saw it back in the 60's like everybody else. I did like how he had a "quick" 5-keyed way to type text, that was kinda cool. AND I loved the end with the two way talking between two computers via video. That would be sweet to do today. Think about it! The next evolution of AIM!

I really liked Kay's program on the Sketchpad, it really cleared up what the program was for me. I thought it was amazing how fluid and natural the person using the progam was too.

The AMG stuff was kinda weird. I mean, they had all that stuff then? Where is it now? Who's working on it? Have any significant improvements been made? I for one would love to talk to my computer or just point at it.

The WWW article. I looked at the date and I would'a been in 6th grade when the article was published. Which is creepy. The article says stuff like, "if you don't have the World Wide Web, get it now", and URI. Crazy. Who doesn't have the WWW now?!

The file structure article was hard to read. But I liked what it wanted. However, I think it was extremely ambitious. To connect that many files in such a diverse way... again it sounds great but how practical is it to do and use? I think the biggest problem is that the author assumes everyone who needs to use the system will easily understand it. But most of the population is not made of engineers or computer scientists.

The Personal Dynamic Media one is also a great idea. It's a good article that cleanly showed that people were thinking in the right direction. It's interesting that only NOW are we making things like PDAs. I do think too that computers would have advanced more quickly and would have more pieces of software on them, except for economic and social concerns. Let's face it, it'd be nice if every computer in the world could compose music but it's not economically viable nor even completely useful.

Yes those light pens are still used in a sense. I had a resident last year that was in some artsy major that had one and a pad that he used to do his photoshop stuff, so they might not be widely used, but they're still here.

I also liked the real sense the original articles were written in, the context was saved over the ages and it still makes you feel as if you were in that time period reading about these new fangled inventions.

Carlo that was really in depth analyis of all the chapters, you said a lot of what I was feeling, but probably a lot more eloquently. I applaud you.

It is shocking to see how far we've come in such a short time, but what is more shocking is to see that some things haven't really changed at all, for example the basic underlying of the WWW. It's nice to see the innovation, and what led up to finally become the technology we have today. I also disagree with the desktop being built into a computer unless it could be removed also. I could see desks being built with slots for smaller computers that were hooked in and then displayed themselves on bigger LCD monitors in the back, but having the whole thing stationary is a bad idea (the moving home from college example illustrated this very well).

I really think from how the history has been, having all kinds of technology equipment developed through seperate lines, the tv, the computer, the telephone, etc, but how they are starting to now combine these that one day we'll have a machine that can do all of those and then some. You won't have to go out and buy a dvd player, cd player, all that, you can just pick up one box.

This relates to video games to show that games also had their humble beginnings. They started out unrefined, low quality graphics etc, and as the mediums they were made for grew, so did they. Also, games are generally starting to be released on all systems now, besides the nintendo franchise, this seems to be a growing trend. Games also sometimes push the technology they can be played on, the ideas of full 3D worlds your mind patches into are out there, trying to be developed, but the technology hasn't caught up yet, just as many of the ideas portrayed in the readings were.

I find it very interesting that much of Bush’s, Engelbart’s and Nelson’s visions, ideas and predictions have yet to be implemented and/or realized. Though I agree that electronic media technologies have made significant progress, by reading through the papers, it would seem that we are still behind. The fact that computers, web, electronic music and video, and electronic games exist hardly seems enough when predictions have been presented for more efficient and user-friendly versions of these various technologies.

The technologies created from this earlier research are in some cases inferior to what was presented/predicted in the studies. But in spite of the inferiority, the technologies have been widely adopted and even praised. “Other factors, including availability, price and the openness of standards can allow a technology which is inferior in many specific ways to dominate.” (The NMR, 791) I also feel that a technology’s initial novelty also plays a major role in its success. I think the same is true for games; gaming technology is progressing far more rapidly than the gaming science/theory. All new games are not necessarily more exciting, engaging or superiorly designed, it’s just that sometimes a new technology can give that appearance.

I find it interesting, being that security is such a big issue today, that information/network issues/problems weren’t heavily presented or discussed in any of the papers. I wonder why the issues with file transfer, copyright, identity theft and such weren’t discussed.

Ok, so several of you mentioned in general that some things have yet to be adopted from these papers. What are they?
What's missing in today's computing from those various visions??

The biggest thing still missing seems to be the idea of organizing files and data by association. Bush suggested it with his Memex and the article on Files talked about it too, but I don't think anyone's really DONE it. (The web being a possible small exception). I mean I can't open up my paper on "Namco" and then from there open up my other paper on "Tengen" because they are both associated with "The history of Video Games". Computers today don't do that. If I want to open up my Tengen paper, I need to know where I saved it on my computer and go get it myself.

We are also still missing a multidimensional linking system, as proposed by Nelson in Xanadu. Now we use the back and forward buttons, bookmarks, history, and breadcrumbs to see where we’ve been on the web. Hypertext/hyperlinks in the extent that Nelson envisioned has yet to be realized. I’m not sure that I fully understand, but it seems that Nelson’s idea was far more complex than today’s systems in that the hypertext is to be deeply connected in that connections were to be made and last beyond one online session. We have yet to get rid of the paper feel of the web.

BOOGLE MY NOOGLE!

Kevin, thanks for the compliment.

Matt, Christian, I think you both hit what's still missing. So far the only that might even come close to what these papers describe is a relational database. But, honestly, how easy are they to use if you've never took a class about them, or even know how to use a computer? Even the students themselves who start out in 360 and work their way into at least 484 and/or 485 have a difficult time wrapping their heads around the concepts and technical details (myself included!).

Christian, your comment in particular is interesting because this is exactly why the creators of the web, especially Tim Berners-Lee, are pushing for the Semantic Web - what you pointed out from that article is what the Semantic Web is supposed to be.

Oh yeah, who wrote the last comment? Got a laugh out of me nontheless so I suppose it doesn't matter. :-)

I admit I'm a bit backlogged with the readings. I'll try to post more as I get caught up, now that I'm getting a bit of a breather.
I've been going over the one on "Augmenting Human Intelligence". While the ideas are interesting enough, it's not exactly an easy read. I liked the examples he used though. It's true that there's a massive amount of information out there that's constantly increasing while our ability to absorb that information stays rather limited. As such, the need for tools to access, sort, and proccess said information is ever present.
As an aside, that comic-based article was great, and not just because of the format. The discussion of the nature of time and motion as represented in a 2 dimensional medium really held my attention. Of course, getting constant examples of the topics while the where discussed made it much easier to digest.
My apologies if this post seems to lack focus. I think I may be a bit ill at the moment.

Ok, so I'm a little behind, and most people have made comments on what I was thinking, but here's my two cents worth anyways:

First thought was, wow, this is quite a jump from The Ultimate History of Video Games. I think most people here have agreed that As We May Think was a little difficult to follow. However, from what I was able to gather:

I was impressed how accurately the author was able to predict many of the technologies we have today. It also seems that his ideas about linking information led to the links we now have in the WWW and to database concepts as Carlo mentioned. I have to agree with Matt that his ideas were highly ambitious and he seemed to lack explanation to how his ideas would be conceptualized. That may be a big reason to why they have yet to be implemented - they're just too complicated.

Augmenting Human Intellect, I found, was also hard to follow. I think a big problem is that at the time of their writing, these articles were mostly theoretical, and you had to imagine all this information they were presenting.

Now the SketchPad I could handle. Things were explained in better detail, they had pictures to use as examples, and this concept is something we're already familiar with. This program surely led to tablets, palm pilots, touch screens, and drawing programs. It was interesting to find that this was one of the first implementations of object oriented programming.

A File Structure For The Complex was just that - complex. In fact, it was TOO complex. Way too ambitious if you ask me. It was along the lines of As We May Think, presenting more theory (that was a little hard to follow) then practical means.

The Dynabook in Personal Dynamic Media, as Carlo suggested, was basically the idea for the laptop. It's scary how much their mock-up drawing in the text resembles what we have today as labtops.

And the last chapter on the world wide web was not really anything new.

So how does all this relate to video game? Well, it seems that ultimately all these articles revolved around ways to capture, store, organize, retrieve, edit, or otherwise manipulate data. And that's basically all games are, really. Using some input device to manipulate data, in some form or another.

And lastly, I have to agree with "The Dude": BOOGLE MY NOOGLE!

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